Somebody convince me; UCCNC for $450AUD vs LinuxCNC for free

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Re: Somebody convince me; UCCNC for $450AUD vs LinuxCNC for

Postby muzzlitebeer » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:37 pm

Yeah, but... you've still got to wrap your head around how Linux works. Even the basics are a challenge.

But yeah, there is a huge cohort of LinuxCNC users out there, and they're mostly EXTREMELY helpful. My brain just isn't wired for Linux.

At least I already know how to do things in Windoze.
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Re: Somebody convince me; UCCNC for $450AUD vs LinuxCNC for

Postby beefy » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:48 pm

muzzlitebeer wrote:Yeah, but... you've still got to wrap your head around how Linux works. Even the basics are a challenge.

But yeah, there is a huge cohort of LinuxCNC users out there, and they're mostly EXTREMELY helpful. My brain just isn't wired for Linux.

At least I already know how to do things in Windoze.


Ha ha, yeah, can't argue with that.

I think half the problem with Linuxcnc learning is that you need to know a little about Linux itself BEFOREHAND.
I mean here's something from the beginning of the Getting Started manual:

LinuxCNC requires a kernel modified for realtime use to control real machine hardware. It can, however run on a standard kernel
in simulation mode for purposes such as checking G-code, testing config files and learning the system. To work with these kernel
versions there are two versions of LinuxCNC distributed. The package names are "linuxcnc" and "linuxcnc-uspace"
The realtime kernel options are preempt-rt, RTAI and Xenomai. ...............................................


And:
Xenomai is also supported, but you will have to find or build the kernel and compile LinuxCNC from source to utilise it.


I mean WTF.
The instructions seem to assume you already understand some of the basics of the Linux operating system, but for someone coming from Windows who is not a nerdy type:
What the hell is the kernel.
What the hell is a package.
What the hell is compiling from source.
Etc, etc, the list goes on.

Whoever has wrote the instruction manual probably knows Linux and Linuxcnc backwards but does not consider how it appears to someone from Windows, especially basic users. No wonder many are scared away from Linuxcnc, even the beginning of the Getting Started manual will be double dutch to windows users.
I've been typing in commands such as "sudo apt-get install............" etc, but only been doing what I've been told to without having a clue what any of them mean, and it does make you rather uncomfortable.

I've started looking into Linux tutorials in order to start making sense of many of the command line instructions. It all starts to make sense then LOL.

The UCCNC install is definitely much simpler.
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Re: Somebody convince me; UCCNC for $450AUD vs LinuxCNC for

Postby Dazp1976 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:44 pm

beefy wrote:
muzzlitebeer wrote:
Ha ha, yeah, can't argue with that.
Whoever has wrote the instruction manual probably knows Linux and Linuxcnc backwards but does not consider how it appears to someone from Windows.
I've sttrted looking into Linux tutorials in order to start making sense of many of the command line instructions. It all starts to make sense then LOL.

The UCCNC install is definitely much simpler.


Even windows can be................. Though.
Win10 and its forced updates, ugh!!!!!!!.

Best practice inho, Ethernet controller. Cheap laptop and erase it. Run a clean copy of Win7 sp1 with uccnc.
Keep it off the net.
Any uccnc updates and gcodes transfer via memory stick.
Problem free.


Now, I must admit. I am new to uccnc recent and have it on win10 Pro. It said I could turn off updates in Pro but it recently forced an update!!!!!.
Yet to find out what it has broken.
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Re: Somebody convince me; UCCNC for $450AUD vs LinuxCNC for

Postby cncdrive » Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:00 am

Make a group policy for updates, for me it stopped Windows updates on Win 10 pro for several months now.
Windows still complaining that an update is available and nessessary, but it does not even download the updates.
Even if I press the download button it says that it cant do that because the group policy in place does not allow to do it.
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Re: Somebody convince me; UCCNC for $450AUD vs LinuxCNC for

Postby Dazp1976 » Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:54 am

cncdrive wrote:Make a group policy for updates, for me it stopped Windows updates on Win 10 pro for several months now.
Windows still complaining that an update is available and nessessary, but it does not even download the updates.
Even if I press the download button it says that it cant do that because the group policy in place does not allow to do it.



Thanks for the tip.
Will check it out.
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