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RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:44 am
by ThreeDJ16
Hello. I've searched through the forum and haven't seen anything related, so thought I'd ask if anyone here has info on possibly using the RS485 plugin for the 1100 Watt spindle motor from Automation Technologies? https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.c ... nd-driver/

Thanks in advance.

Re: RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:43 am
by ger21
It does show an RS-485 connection, but there's no documentation on how to use it, so I don't know how you would set the parameters in the plugin, or even if it would work.

I'd call John at Automation Technologies and ask him any questions you may have. Does the installation video cover speed control? Don't have time to watch it.

Re: RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:22 am
by ThreeDJ16
ger21 wrote:It does show an RS-485 connection, but there's no documentation on how to use it, so I don't know how you would set the parameters in the plugin, or even if it would work.

I'd call John at Automation Technologies and ask him any questions you may have. Does the installation video cover speed control? Don't have time to watch it.

Thanks,
I actually got this one from Fleabay (sold as brand new in the box). Once I got it in, found out it was made in 2008 and was the version that had major issues. Complete misrepresentation of the product. I wouldn't even plug it in with all those huge electrolytic caps sitting for a decade. So it's going back. Should have known better.

Anyway, I'll probably just put that money towards a much nicer DMM 750 watt servo motor for my spindle. Hopefully DMM will be forthcoming on parameters for their RS485 interface. If not, it's still easy to deal with 0-10v and a forward/reverse pin.

Re: RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:26 am
by cncdrive
One other option with a servo is to use step/dir interface for spindle control. The UCCNC has that option too.
So, if the servo drive has a step/dir interface then that will also work.

Re: RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:15 pm
by ThreeDJ16
cncdrive wrote:One other option with a servo is to use step/dir interface for spindle control. The UCCNC has that option too.
So, if the servo drive has a step/dir interface then that will also work.

Very true. DMM servo motors do support that function too.

Thanks.

Re: RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:32 am
by ThreeDJ16
cncdrive wrote:One other option with a servo is to use step/dir interface for spindle control. The UCCNC has that option too.
So, if the servo drive has a step/dir interface then that will also work.

Yeah, I am resurrecting an old thread, but finally have time to install my DMM 750W servo motor and I'm going to use step/dir as you state (also DMM recommended using it if available). So my question is they have electronic gearing as they call it to you can set whatever number you need for steps per revolution. Per their manual, the gear number x 4 = steps per rev and it goes from something like 500 (x4=2000 steps per rev) to a ridiculous number like 65K. So I'm using a M45/UC300ETH and a C11G from CNC4PC rated at 4Mhz. My motor will turn up to 5K RPM. I always get messed up on where the saturation point is for this? I'm coming up with 12k steps per revolution max, does that sound right? What is the max steps per rev that is possible with UCCNC? Thanks for any information.

-Jasen

Re: RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:52 am
by Robertspark
The uc300eth has available a 400khz kernel loop, so it is able to output at a maximum rate of 400,000 pulses per second..... Providing your hardware can accept such a fast pulse steam (servo motors fine, stepper motors not so good)

5000 rpm = 83.33333r rev / second

400khz / 83.3333r = 4800 pulses per revolution (maximum)

4800 / 4 = 1200, which is your gear number, if you set your kernel speed on maximum at 400khz on the general configuration tab

Re: RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:01 am
by ThreeDJ16
Hey, thanks a bunch for that info. Well at least I was close...LOL...only off by one zero....haha.

Thanks,
Jasen

Re: RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:38 am
by Battwell
i came accross this issue when fitting step/direction spindle to my mill.
both with step pulses out and encoder pulses in from the motor (mine raw is 10000 counts per revolution)- i multiplied and divided by 8 in the drive.
worked great :-) (i use 3800 rpm maximum)
first thing i tested was encoder tracked speed from encoder which originally showed failing at higher rpm as uccnc couldnt keep up with the input counts. (hence divided these down before sending to uccnc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCULDcxZ_Q

Re: RS485 For Automation Tech 1100W Spindle Motor

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:57 pm
by ThreeDJ16
Battwell wrote:i came accross this issue when fitting step/direction spindle to my mill.
both with step pulses out and encoder pulses in from the motor (mine raw is 10000 counts per revolution)- i multiplied and divided by 8 in the drive.
worked great :-) (i use 3800 rpm maximum)
first thing i tested was encoder tracked speed from encoder which originally showed failing at higher rpm as uccnc couldnt keep up with the input counts. (hence divided these down before sending to uccnc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCULDcxZ_Q

My raw encoder count is like 65K...LOL. DMM uses a crazy high encoder count. So thankfully that have built in electronic gearing for the steps per rev and a similar deal for encoder pass through. I did find out that at 220v, the spindle can do 6.5k RPM, so a nice easy number is 6K which works out to a gear number of 1000. Made up my motor plates last weekend, so this weekend (if we have power from the storms) I'll be working on hooking it up to UCCNC and running power. So not sure yet what my encoder pass through reduction will be yet, but seems like I remember from my previous spindle encoder (which was on the spindle and 12K rpm) could only deal with about 400 PPR before it saturated the card.

Should be interesting. Unfortunately I don't have the ability the run 220v in my mill area, so having to use a transformer. Thankfully there not supposed to pull much current (750w Nema 34).